Michael Lewis on Doge, Federal Workers, and Civil Service Reform

Michael Lewis discusses his book *Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State* and the federal workers whose roles and experiences shaped its account of Doge. The conversation examines how political leadership, public-sector expertise, and civil service protections affect the way government operates.

- Book and reporting: why Lewis focused on federal employees and their work
- Doge and government operations: its political aims and impact on civil servants
- Reform and efficiency: how public administration differs from running a private company
- AI: Lewis briefly explains why it is not currently his main reporting focus

For readers interested in public administration, government reform, or Lewis’s reporting, the discussion offers context for assessing proposals to change the civil service and the safeguards it relies on.